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Anders Brenna

It's hard ti prove you wrong, and it's not vert forward thinking to det it as a goal.

We should crowdsource a list or spreadsheet with three columns filled with answers to these three questions:
* What do you pay for?
* How much do you pay for it?
* Why do you pay for it?

It is neither necessary or useful to create a complete list, but the questions gets your mind started and shared answers tend to inspire more and better answers.

The bottled water case is one inspiring example, but we need more cases to identify the true pattern that can be replicated to the internet, or at least form the basis theory for working online editorial business models.

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Very good blogpost, and it did make me think of an old marketing theory. The theory of The extended product model (read more here: http://www.buildingbrands.com/didyouknow/24_extended_product_model.php ) What the theory suggest is that most products is a composition of different properties. And what I started to think of when I read Anders Brennas questions in former comment, is that still we don't quite understand what we're producing and what the users are actually paying for... To be continued...

helgebirk

Back then, we paid from crib to coffin. And we will still do.

Great post Jo Christian, and nothing much to disagree about, but I think it’s worthwhile to draw a parallel between old school and new school interaction economy

But first a story to prove you’re right about the packaging, distribution and service theory:
Every year or so, I receive a call from Aftenposten (leading newspaper in Norway). They have more or less the same message, year after year, since back in 1990 when I got my first apartment.
“Hi Helge (for some reasons the sales guy believe that I’m more likely to buy his offering if he approach me with my first name), I have an offer you can’t refuse: I would like to give you, Helge, Aftenposten for free the next six months.”
“Fine, that’s tempting”, I’ve always admitted, while I’m waiting for his next line:
“The only thing we need from you, Helge, is that you help us deliver the paper to your door every morning, Helge.”
“Sure, I can help if I get the paper for free.”
“By paying less than half a Euro per day, we promise to bring you the news, the great stories and valuable information every morning at your door. Sounds nice, doesn’t it, Helge?”
“Hu..and the total cost for the free paper is”, I counter
“It’s still very reasonable, Helge. It’s still for free, you see, Helge. You only pay for us bringing the paper to your doormat. Wouldn’t it be nice having news every morning bla bla bla”.
Obviously, but it’s just another example of the fact that we’re not paying for the content itself, but packaging, distribution and service, as Jo Christian already have stated.
This is not a new way of selling Aftenposten per subscription. This is the way Aftenposten has sold subs the last 10 or 20 years. Way before commercial internet. Way before the newspaper crisis.
You pay for the packaging, distribution and the delivery service. Not the content, as you have written, Jo C.
(That’s not the whole truth, though. When you’re hooked for the first six months the price increase and suddenly the cost of packaging, distribution have doubled, but that’s another story)
Further on there are two other ways we’re paying today (internet) and yesterday (paper)
1. Immaterial cost of being annoyed by ads.
2. Interaction and involvement
#1 is given, so I’ll move to #2.
Like years before, there’s a wiliness to pay for contribution. Either it’s about selling your grandfolks rocking chair (today ebay.com and finn.no – yesterday Youngstorvet Bazar), a potential match of love (today Match.com and Sukker.no – yesterday Noen som passer for meg) or to celebrate or cry. We’re paying to inform about the new born, the wedding, the 50th years anivarsity and finally we pay to put up an add informing that someone we care about have passed away.
We’re paying from crib to coffin, so to say.
I still believe this tactic has an afterlife (ehrm) in a virtual/online world. Match, Møteplassen, Finn, Ebay etc proves that it’s not a dead end street.
So what’s my advice?
Give the packaging, distribution and the service away for free. Get paid for extra service such as user involvement and user engagement. (Dagbladet recently gave it a try (to pay for discussion via SMS), but they’re facing a temporarily set back. )
Either if it’s child birth, dating, auctions, classifieds or simply the user/readers longing of being heard and/or interact with a broader audience.

Mark Scott

You will find pretty much the same arguments in a recent essay by Paul Graham - see http://www.paulgraham.com/publishing.html

Are we any closer to an answer on this?

I think not.

Jo Christian Oterhals

Great comments!

Anders Brenna: I think your spreadsheet idea is a good one. Will you organize one? Could be a shared spreadsheet trough Google Docs, spread the word of it trough Twitter, Facebook, etc.

Fredrik Antonsen: Is the problem that we don't know what we're producing, or is the problem that we don't quite understand our value proposition?

helgebirk: Amusing anectode about your newspaper. What I think you're trying to say is that content providers should try to apply *other* business models than the traditional ones online. I agree completely. However I do think that we also have to try to sell packaging. We just have to get rid of the notion that we're going to sell content. If we keep that notion, a lot of well meaning business development will be done -- apart from the fact that it'll be the wrong business development.

Mark Scott: Yes, I think we share the same thoughts. What's great for Paul is that he writes this from outside the industry, so he can really free himself from the old ways of thinking. But even though Paul ends up in his article being as uncertain as me as to what will and have to come next, I think he's oversimplifying where he tries to deliver solutions.

I'm thinking of the old "music is free, sell tickets and t-shirts" example in particular. This really is a business model that will suit only bands and artists at and above a certain level. And his model doesn't explain how up and coming artists will be able to finance the marketing needed to achieve that level.

But I do agree with your point: We're not any closer to an answer on this. In any case, my point with this blog post is not to present a solution. It's rather to try to give decision makers in my business the right perspective on the issue of paid content.

Gjermund

At the right place or time you probably could buy a Much for the cost of paint and canvas...

Anders Brenna

I'll set up the spreadsheet egen I Get back home. I've been thinking about this since your comment at NONA09 about thinking about 1. business 2. journalism, instead of 1. journalism 2. business.

Jo Christian Oterhals

Gjermund: You're right. And today most of us will never afford a Munch.

But is that caused by the value of the content? Take all these Rembrandt paintings as an example: Fabolous works of art all of them. But from time to time it's discovered that some of them actually were painted by his students.

When this happens, the value of the paintings drops to a minimum even though they're just as beautiful and maybe even masterful as before. So even when it comes to art, the content itself has little to do with the valuation of the artworks (after a certain point at least).

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Pål Bråtelund

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